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Thursday, August 5, 2010

Prop 8 and Gay Marriage

By now you've all probably heard the news about California's Proposition 8 being declared unconstitutional and as a result the ban on gay marriage has been overturned. Sweet! Definitely a step in the right direction.

But throughout the gay marriage debate something has always struck me odd. Many opponents of gay marriage are against it for religious reasons quoting biblical passages like "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." The way I see it, religions should be free to preach whatever the hell they want. If it turns people away let them feel the effects of a shrinking congregation. Let them surround themselves with people who can only think exactly the same as everyone else in the religion. I think if a church refuses to perform a marriage between two homosexuals then that's the church's problem and I'm sure that couple can find a church that would be delighted to marry them.

On the flip side I understand that many gay people who happen to belong to a religion that doesn't look favorably upon their lifestyle feel compelled to change the ways of that church in order to open the hearts and minds of its followers.

In terms of the cut and dry legalities of gay marriage, I don't even know why this is a debate. Of course gays should be able to be legally married. And when I hear the ridiculous argument of "What's next? People marrying animals?" I say sure why not. Go marry that horse of yours. Have a great honeymoon with your cat. But if you're going bring your animal into the realm of human law it better follow all of them. You'd better be prepared to pay Rover's back taxes if he doesn't pay them on time and if he doesn't have his papers from the vet his ass is getting deported to wherever his breed came from. Look out chihuahuas, you're getting specie-ally profiled!

So to all the gay Americans out there, congratulations on this major victory! But be prepared for more battles as there is sure to be bumps down the road. The good news is every day there are more and more people behind you to help fight the good fight.

45 comments:

  1. Amen, brother! Well said - here's to reason, compassion, and liberty and justice for all. This is America, right? That's supposed to be what we do!

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  2. You didn't touch on one important thing that so many forget: marriage is not JUST a religious thing. It must be sanctioned by the government (licenses and fees)as well as the person performing the ceremony. Marriage is no longer a realm of religion - it doesn't even have to be performed by a minister, rabbi, imam or whatever your faith decrees. Justice of the Peace can perform marriages. So, this should no longer fall to the realm of religion, if they don't accept it, don't perform it. As you said, find someone that will.

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  3. @ galoot: You raise a point that I've wondered about a long time, too. Shouldn't there be a separation between the religious marriage ceremony and the civil granting of a marriage license?
    Religious groups should always be free to perform or restrict their marriage ceremonies as they feel is appropriate for their beliefs. But I think the granting of a civil marriage license, with all its legal ramifications, should be considered from the point of view of the State. How about calling it a "civil union license"?
    It seems to me that marriage should be to civil unions as baptisms are to birth certificates or funerals are to death certificates: two different ways of acknowledging the same event.
    I realize that this would require a shift in the way people think of marriage in this country, and I know that's highly unlikely. But a lot of unlikely laws get passed every year.
    In the interests of full disclosure, I'm a Christian.

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  4. @ crazy Donna F: My wife said the same thing about civil marriage. Civil unions actually are allowed in many places, but Judge Vaughn did comment on that.
    On disclosure, I am an ordained minister, a Christian (capitol c) and a wrestling promoter. I mention all of those because faith belongs in your life. That dictates how you live your life. Forcing religious beliefs is against the Bible (Matthew 6), against the Law (separation of church and state) and against the civil rights of those that don't believe the way others do.
    Many against this ruling bring out the fact that this means their vote meant nothing. Had this been the anti-race marriage rulings, those too would not have come about. And where would Shen be?

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  5. I agree, besides the objections from certain religions, there is barely any arguement against gay marriage. I mean, it's not going to hurt anyone despite people's crazy accusations. The next step should be allowing gay couples to adopt, because who will adopt those kids when no one else will? Hooray for equal rights!

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  6. I am conservative and probably more-so a libertarian. I was brought up a Catholic. My position on this subject is there is no a problem. My position entails allowing some people to think same sax marriage is okay and others to think it is not. Both views are acceptable to have and the government should not be telling either group what to think. I also live in California, home of Prop 8.

    I don't think that Prop 8 should have been allowed to vote on in the first place. It was, and it won, or lost depending upon how you look at it. Now a single judge shot down the vote. And all it takes is one right-wing judge to screw the votes of liberals.

    I would rather this follow the way of majority vote. I have no details or master insight, but I would think that if the Prop 8 was taken 100 years ago, it would have won a high percent. 50 years ago would still have been a healthy margin. Last year it won by a little. Perhaps in 50 years it would lose by a large margin. At what point in time would have won a little margin, I do not know. would it better to have gotten a majority first?

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  7. I don't think you should try to link Asians with "gays." A lot of Asians dislike gays because it's not normal. "gaysians" is a small percentage of people that makes the whole Asian race look bad! If you go to any Chinatown in the entire USA and Canada, you'll see plenty of people that are AGAINST gay marriage. I'm not religious, but come on now. The law of human nature is broken. Man and man don't make babies. Neither does woman and woman.

    But check it out, we already won Yes on Prop 8 fair and square. Majority of the people already voted and we won! One gay judge made a biased decision and overturned the California people's will. What a shame. Hopefully Supreme Court will rightfully support Prop 8.

    Majority of all sane Americans OUTSIDE of San Francisco, as proven by the popular vote on several occasions, only have a problem with the 'in your face' extreme gays. When they see pictures of gay pride parades with guys sucking dick, drinking piss, butch lesbians with no shirts on menacing everyone within eyesight, it's no wonder. If gays truly wanted equal rights, they should behave within certain societal norms. Hey, anything goes behind closed doors as far as I'm concerned, but you won't see heteros at parades behaving in such despicable behavior. I certainly don't have anything against gays, I just don't want their lifestyles shoved down my throat (no pun intended), or have to explain to my children why their are some angry and strangely dressed people behaving in a wildly sexual manner in broad daylight.

    If they want to get married, don't call it marriage. Call it gayriage. Marriage is for Man and Woman only.

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  8. When Supreme Court decides to respect the majority of the people in California because Prop 8 already passed, I would like to hear the excuses the no on 8 voters have to say when they're crying and whining like sore losers.

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  9. Why normal straight people don't like homosexuals. The Truth!

    1. Straights are tired of gays pushing their gayness in our faces.
    When we see feathers and short shorts and pink cod pieces at the beach we laugh AT you, like you are a clown. Listen, most straights don't mind gays IF they are classy and discreet. The two gay judges on "You Think You Can Dance" are classy and discreet and they are OK. If you want to get your freak on, get your freak on in the privacy of your own home. Flaunting your gayness in public pisses us off and when straights get pissed off they want MORE gay regulation!!!

    2. Straights are protecting their children.
    A parents dream is to see their children grow up, get married and have children of their own. When parents become grandparents ,and their grandchildrens parents are a two well adjusted mom and dad, then the the parents dream has been fulfilled. No parent wants their children to get AIDS, their boys to be pansys or drama queens,or to be teased and tortured their whole lifes. They want them to have normal lives but they also want them to be happy. If being gay makes you happy, then most parents will accept it relunctantly. But of course they will go through a period of mourning, like their child has died and can never come back. They will always wonder what they did wrong and take that feeling to the grave! Scars heal but they never go away!

    3. Gays' children will be teased.
    Yes, your children will be teased! Bad too! Accept it, because you know it!!! I feel sorry for gays' kids. Straight parents will be nice to you in front of you, but they will point and gossip when you are not around. Straight parents won't want their kids to be friends with gay parents' kids. (Go back to #2, protecting their children.)

    4. Gays have broken the friendship boundry.
    When you talk to someone of the opposite sex there is sometimes an uncomfortable sexual tension there. Talking to someone of the opposite sex is normally short and sweet and you go on. But when talk to someone of the same sex you can let go and be yourself. Their is no sexual tension, friendships are a safe zone. A friendship smile just means I like being with you. Now with gays and lesbians everywhere, finding just a friend is A LOT harder because that sexual tension can be everywhere. That is a shame! A true friendship is worth its weight in gold, a "Lord Of The Rings" friendship, that's what it should be. Don't touch me, damn it! I'm not like that! I just want to be friends ONLY!

    5. Gays ,accept that your lifestyle is not normal!!!!!!
    Just accept it! It's a fact! Its normal for a man and a woman to get married and have children. Normally that is how our species goes on. Two women married or two men married can't have kids normally. Today, with the help of science or adoption papers they can, but normally they can't. Don't call it normal when it's not!!!!!!!!

    These are the 5 top reasons why normal straight people in the whole world don't like homosexuals. Now you know.

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  10. This debate should have nothing to do with people's personal hang-ups with homosexuality and how it makes you feel uncomfortable. I would personally love to take every gun in the country and throw it into a vat of molten steel and make prosthetics with them for all the people who lost the use of limbs due to gun fire. But I'm held back by the fact that I realize millions of people lawfully and responsibly own guns. Plus guns are way fun to shoot.

    @Joseph - As a closeted, normal, straight person in the world I can say that I'm not put off by over the top public displays of gayness any more than hetero public displays of heteroness. Joseph, you said, "you won't see heteros at parades behaving in such despicable behavior." I guess Mardi Gras boob flashing, Girls Gone Wild, Freaknik, Berlin's Sex Parade don't count. You're lumping those "extreme gays" with the millions of gays that don't suck dick at parades and those scary topless lesbos with their deadly chest cannons. That would be like lumping the millions (billions?) of peaceful Muslims with the few extreme ones who throw acid in girl's faces.

    Also giving voice only to a majority sets a dangerous precedent of majority rules. It's a myth that this country runs on pure citizen pluralism. It doesn't. If it did Gore would have been president. We have checks and balances that tests all of our personal interests and often times change over the years. If most people thought the Chinese should still not be allowed to own land would you stand by that majority decision or would you cry and whine like a sore loser?

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  11. @Patrick - I guess I can hit your top 5 list one at a time but to start, please do a find/replace for the word straight and substitute with "I" or "me". Don't speak for me.:

    1. Straights are tired of gays pushing their gayness in our faces.
    This actually sound supportive towards gay people and for that I applaud you. It's sound advice on how clownish gays can win over normal people like yourself. Bottom line, you're probably right. If gayness wasn't so open and over-the-top you'd probably have an easier time accepting them, right? In the meantime, if you can keep The Situation from swinging his underwearless junk around in his sweatpants in front of the ladies I'd appreciate it.

    2. Straights are protecting their children.
    I think a parent's dream is to watch their kids grow up happy and healthy, whatever that entails. By your definition you'd probably be disappointed in your unmarried, childless, 30-something child who helps with malaria vaccinations in Africa. Just out of curiosity, are you speaking of this mourning the gayness of your child through personal experience? Do you have a gay child ad is this how you feel about them?

    3. Gays' children will be teased.
    Sadly, you're probably right. But it's up to responsible parents to make sure this doesn't happen. This sounds more like a threat than anything else. Almost like if your kid was teasing gay kids or children of gay parents, you'd back them up and tell them that gay kid brought it upon him/herself. I'd rather live in a society that discourages teasing/bullying of any kind than sweep it under the rug as accepted behavior.

    4. Gays have broken the friendship boundry.
    Not sure where to start on this one as it's so far from my thinking of what friendships are. So, what you're saying is that every female you meet you want to fuck and you have no female friends who you confide in regardless of their sex? No? Then don't assume every gay man wants your balls on his face. You're probably not his type. And Frodo totally had sex with Samwise. I hacked Sauron's all seeing eye and downloaded the photos.

    5. Gays ,accept that your lifestyle is not normal!!!!!!
    Again, you're right. The gay lifestyle is NOT normal. And it never will be unless we do away with all the baggage people seem to be carrying about homosexuality. If you're definition of human behavior coincides with pure natural animal behavior (which does show evidence of homosexual behavior as well as adoption) then why do we have wars based on ideology? If you think humanity has evolved to its full potential then that's a sad outlook to have.

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  12. THANK YOU! What a nice, logical arguement from you SAM. People used to think women having rights wasn't normal, but look at us now! If people would stop relying on stupid stereotypes for their arguements, a lot of problems would've been solved a lot quicker.

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  13. Bottom line, nobody likes gay people in the whole world. Every culture in the world is against homosexuality, whether you like it or not. It is what it is.

    And please don't link race and sexual orientation together. People can change their sexual preference from gay (wrong) to straight (right) but they can't change their skin color. At the end, straight people make babies naturally and gays cannot! It is what it is.

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  14. Obama don't approve homos and neither should you!

    Obama said: "Marriage is the union between a man and a woman"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6K9dS9wl7U

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  15. @m8tt1818 - You stated "At the end, straight people make babies naturally and gays cannot!". Actually I'm pretty sure a gay man and a gay woman CAN make a baby together.

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  16. The amazing thing is the "anti" gay is full of vitriol and hate. The "pro" are logical and thought out arguments for love. Gay is as much a choice as straight. We chose who we love. The whole world does not hate gays. And the Judge - Vaughn - was appointed by GWH Bush after Dems shot down Reagans attempt to place the judge.
    And this is the same as race hate...it wasn't too long ago that whites were not allowed to marry anybody of a different skin color, because of moral objectivity. Even today mixed race marriages are looked down upon around the world and people are told to think of what their children will have to go through. Hate is hate.

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  17. Honestly, I wouldn't want my children to be gay. It's not in our Asian culture to be associated with gays.

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  18. I pretty much agree with your original statement, although I thought the animal argument was silly. To me it is an issue of adult consent. Two consenting adults should have the right to enter into any relationship contract that they want. I include gay marrieges, polygamy, and polyandry and even term marrieges (getting married for 10 years with an option to renew). This country should really legalize adulthood.

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  19. STOP CALLING IT A CHOICE! It's not a choice at all! Who would choose to be hated by every religion in the world? Who would choose to be harassed and abused by people who think they know how the world works? Nobody chooses to be considered a freak. Nobody wants to alienate their friends and family because they can't control their emotions. Anyone who says they can change their orientation is a liar.

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  20. @ Jane Yamamoto - It's also in our culture to not talk about mental illness but I wouldn't recommend that. Homosexuality can be traced to almost every culture in the world going back thousands of years.

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  21. The act of homosexuality is just an abnormal sexual fantasy. It's "make believe." Homosexuality is a type of mental disorder. Those people are confused. The above poster is right on. A lot of cultures look down on homosexuality because it's morally wrong and abnormal.

    And sexual orientation can be changed. It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. If you don't think so, you need to get your high school diploma revoked.

    Bottom line, I don't want my son and daughter to be gay. I will disown them. I'm old school Asian. We don't believe in homosexuality.

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  22. Butt pirates and carpet munchers think they should get special privilege, what a joke. Nobody like those nasty sick minded psychos and that's a fact.

    The people have already spoken and voted. We don't want this nasty crap, how hard is that to understand? NOBODY want this crap, but hey. One gay judge overturned majority of the people. What a shame.

    Just watch. Those butt pirates will not get to marry as long as we keep voting them down! And you can count on that!

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  23. Hate & ignorance seem to go together like ham & eggs. The vitriol spewed by Timothy (and to a lesser extent)some others on this board makes me really sad. I feel that people have the right to do whatever they need to in order to be happy as long as they are not hurting anybody. Who is kissing who is none of my business. You can justify your attitude all that you want, but hate and bigotry is destructive to both the bigot and the recipient.

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  24. Brent, I feel sorry for your parents, grandparents. We are taught from generation to generation that homosexuality is morally wrong. One moral wrong does not make a civil right. Even if no one taught us about this, it's human nature to barf and yak when a little 2nd grader boy sees two sexually confused guys making out. But that same 2nd grader boy will get aroused when he sees naked women in a nudie magazine. it's NORMAL human behavior. Let's bring this society back to normalcy so our next generation doesnt' have to suffer and be brain washed by this disgusting crap. Or actually, it's just California. The rest of the USA and the world dislike homosexuality because they know it's NOT normal. Two homos can't make babies naturally. It's common sense. So don't give me that crap about homos are normal because we all know they are NOT normal! And also please don't just label anyone who's against homosexuality as a "bigot" or a "hater", that's a lame ammunition you gay supporters use on us straight people. Straight always win over homo. Straight = good guys, homos = bad guys. Evil never win!

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  25. Only San Fagcisco support that gay shit! Everyone laughs at that gay San Fagsissyco parade shit! I got buddies in NYC, Boston, Miami, Houston, asking me "what's up with that nasty ass gay shit San Francisco parade I see on TV? What's up with those nasty ass mother fuckers flaunting their shit around without any shame?! that's fucking gross! I'm not letting my kids see that shit! Good thing I don't live near San Francisco. I feel sorry for whoever that have to live near those nasty fags."

    It's a fact that there's more people opposing fag marriage than people supporting it. I don't fucking want my kids to be exposed to that gay shit! A lot of my friends are parents who voted Yes On Prop 8 also and they all say the same thing. I'm protecting my kids from that nasty shit! Leave our children alone, you fucking nasty douche bags!

    The United States Supreme Court, with it's conservative majority, will overturn that gay ass Judge Vaughn Walker's biased decision since he's a booty humping nasty ass himself, unless the 9th Circuit doesn't do it first, but that's highly unlikely. So you child molesting AIDS-infested fags and dykes can celebrate now, but once the U.S. Supreme Court says that gay marriage and the acts of homosexuality are forbidden, you can all run over to the Golden Gate Bridge for a mass suicide jump into the ocean! Homosexuals are genetically flawed individuals who prey on innocent children to satisfy their sick, evil, twisted sexual desires. All gay men and women should be on the Megan's Law website, with a blue dot over their homes. Maybe Obama should set up death camps for homosexuals, since Obama don't like homosexuals and homosexuals are a public safety and health threat, in which they spread their AIDS and other diseases to innocent children.

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  26. Check out this video of what you fags and fag supporters did: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBrFHC1aoWI

    Before we kicked asses and claimed victory in Yes On Prop 8, you no voters... were beating up yes on 8 voters and some were your grandmas and grandpas! You defaced properties of the Yes voters, and doing all kinds of shit butt pirate sore losers will do. If that's not hating, I don't know what is because voting and having the fucking freedom to vote for something we're passionate about is NOT hating. It's our personal choice so fucking respect it, bitch. Talk about desparate butt pirates, tsk tsk tsk. That kind of shit don't scare us, it makes us dislike you sore losers!

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  27. I don't want to raise a faggot kid and I'm sure every parents out there won't want to either. Any parents wish is to raise a kid, get married, and have kids naturally. A lot of parents will cry and be devastated if their kids turn gay, it's not a surprise. If you say you would rather raise a faggot kid over a straight kid, you're a fucking liar!

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  28. Science has yet to determine if there is such a thing as a "gay gene" which predetermines sexual orientation. Lacking definitive proof of hard-wired homosexuality, the left does what it usually does in situations where the facts don't coincide with their ideology: they "deem" it is so. Just as they did with the "man-made global warming crisis" and the canard that second-hand smoke causes cancer.

    Many Americans would be shocked to know that, to date, no scientific link has been proven between man and global warming, or between second-hand smokers and cancer. And no-one has found the elusive "gay gene." The left has merely deemed that it is so, despite the lack of hard evidence. That's the way they passed this years' budget. Dems didn't want to go on record voting for yet more pork, so the powers that be decided to forego the vote and "deem" the budget passed.

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  29. Faggots are mostly white boys. We Asians don't believe in that gay shit. We Asians have normal and strong family values, we don't do that gay shit. Nobody has a gay gene, it's just an excuse for those faggoty faggots to use so they can stick their little dicks and tongue up another faggoty faggot's asshole.

    Again, we Asians don't believe in that gay shit.

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  30. Wow. I step away from this string for a while and it looks like I missed the party. Where to start...I guess I'll go one at a time.

    @Kevin Choy
    Have you done research showing 2nd grade boys nude pictures of women? That's kind of creepy dude. And California isn't the only state that looks kindly to gay marriage. Massachusetts, Vermont, DC, Iowa, Connecticut and New Hampshire also grant gay marriages.

    @ Timothy Quan
    I live in Boston and was born and raised in NYC. I have no idea what you're talking about when you say those cities don't support "that gay shit". I can't speak for the others. You're probably right that most Americans oppose gay marriage. But at one point most Americans opposed racial mixing and women in the workplace too. I'm glad that went the way of the dodo otherwise I wouldn't be married or have a two income household. You're also probably right that if this goes to the supreme court that it will be turned over again. But you're underestimating the tenacity of the gay rights movement if you think it'll stop there.

    @Lenny Nagatoshi
    You make the most compelling argument about anti-anti gay acts of violence. But you (and most of the other commenters speaking up against gay marriage) would make your points a lot better if you tone down the slurs. That's what gets you in trouble and called bigots and homophobes. If you want people to stop calling you haters, stop using hateful language.

    @Richard Yee
    I can't stop you from hating your faggot kids as much as you can't stop me from loving mine. But like Timothy's point, you're probably right that many parents would be devastated by having a homosexual child.

    @Joanna Kim
    Science has yet to produce a heterosexual gene either. That's because their isn't one. But I do believe there is an asshole gene present in politicians from both sides of the aisle as well as the middle.

    @James Kwan
    Way to alienate yourself from gays AND white people in one sentence. Not sure where this repeated notion of homosexuality not being present in Asian culture is coming from. If you mean it has been looked down on by Asian culture I may agree with you but to say Asians "don't do that gay shit" just isn't true.

    But to get back to the point of toning down the hateful language, it really doesn't make your points any stronger. It actually weakens them. I'm glad to continue this discussion and welcome your thoughts but I'm challenging you to do so without clouding your points with bad fucking language.

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  31. Wow.

    It amazes me how terrible alot of human beings are, that they feel the need to put their noses into other people's love lives and right to be together.

    I mean SURLY it must be cooler to talk down on people who are different than you than it is to love and care for one another.*sarcasm*

    is it really this hard for people to coexist in peace? If you don't care for people who have different lifestyles, go live in a cave or something, but don't go around demonizing people who did no wrong except wanting to be with the people they love and care about. All this horrible language disgusts me, and these bigoted people should be ashamed of themselves.

    Also, if a heterosexual couples has such strong family standings going on, how come I still see Orphans abandoned by stupid hetero couples who can't handle having a child, along with the many kids out there traumatized by divorce from their hetero parents? So don't even DARE paint yourselves as better, cause you are NOT. You are all capable of being crappy stupid parents who dunno how to raise their kids.

    If some dumbass parent who keeps buying M rated games and R rated stuff to their 5 year old kids gets the right to get married and have kids, then the smarter people, be they gay OR straight, should have the same goddamn right.

    Be more open minded, and get over yourselves. Your definition of normal is only opinion, NOT FACT.

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  32. To also extend on that comment about dumb parents buying stuff for kids that are NOT rated for them:

    I work at a video game store, the only female one there apparently. Every day I work there, there's always some dumbass parent who buys Grant Theft Auto or some form of extreme violent game for their kids. And most of these kids aren't the smart ones that know and understand the difference between fantasy and reality, they just wanna shoot stuff up cause someone else said its cool.

    The same kind of kid that will go on Xbox Live and used the F bomb in every goddamn match, pissing off older more mature gamers.

    I have always stated that these parents who buy such things for kids who are stupid and childish, along with letting them get away with such language online with strangers, these parents don't deserve to be parents, cause they have no clue how to teach kids RESPONSIBILITY and COURTESY.

    If these hetero couples have a right to get married, have kids, and then come to my store and IGNORE the rating system that good people have established to EDUCATE them about that's NOT for their child, along with my verbal warnings in plain simple language of the above, why can't gays? I have gay friends and acquaintances who are a billion times smarter than these morons who walk into the store.

    The fact is, all the bigots, close minded people and morons I deal with, they all need better education. Even if in the end you dont wanna deal with people different than you, you should at least have the courtesy to not bother people who never bothered you. People just want to have the same rights, then apply the rights to their lives and move the frack on. it's the naysayers who are making a big deal, and they don't even pretend to be polite about it. No one knows what courtesy is anymore, or try to think before they speak, and alot of morons end up spouting hateful language over things they themselves know NOTHING about.

    The world will be a better place if everyone just tries to be goddamn nicer, open minded, and research more often. Google is your friend. And if all those idiots out there get to marry who they want, then so do Gays and everyone else.

    If anything, I personally wish that idiots that can't take care of their own lives and their children's should have their right to marry and have kids taken away, but I don't see that happening ever. There are social services for child abuse, but no service for idiot parents raising idiot kids. I think punishment for people being stupid is far more logical than a ban of marriage on a certain group of people who haven't even done anything right or wrong in marriage or having kids yet!

    Seriously, LOGIC! Think for a second on that.

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  33. To also extend on that comment about dumb parents buying stuff for kids that are NOT rated for them:

    I work at a video game store, the only female one there apparently. Every day I work there, there's always some dumbass parent who buys Grant Theft Auto or some form of extreme violent game for their kids. And most of these kids aren't the smart ones that know and understand the difference between fantasy and reality, they just wanna shoot stuff up cause someone else said its cool.

    The same kind of kid that will go on Xbox Live and used the F bomb in every goddamn match, pissing off older more mature gamers.

    I have always stated that these parents who buy such things for kids who are stupid and childish, along with letting them get away with such language online with strangers, these parents don't deserve to be parents, cause they have no clue how to teach kids RESPONSIBILITY and COURTESY.

    If these hetero couples have a right to get married, have kids, and then come to my store and IGNORE the rating system that good people have established to EDUCATE them about that's NOT for their child, along with my verbal warnings in plain simple language of the above, why can't gays? I have gay friends and acquaintances who are a billion times smarter than these morons who walk into the store.

    The fact is, all the bigots, close minded people and morons I deal with, they all need better education. Even if in the end you dont wanna deal with people different than you, you should at least have the courtesy to not bother people who never bothered you. People just want to have the same rights, then apply the rights to their lives and move the frack on. it's the naysayers who are making a big deal, and they don't even pretend to be polite about it. No one knows what courtesy is anymore, or try to think before they speak, and alot of morons end up spouting hateful language over things they themselves know NOTHING about.

    The world will be a better place if everyone just tries to be goddamn nicer, open minded, and research more often. Google is your friend. And if all those idiots out there get to marry who they want, then so do Gays and everyone else.

    If anything, I personally wish that idiots that can't take care of their own lives and their children's should have their right to marry and have kids taken away, but I don't see that happening ever. There are social services for child abuse, but no service for idiot parents raising idiot kids. I think punishment for people being stupid is far more logical than a ban of marriage on a certain group of people who haven't even done anything right or wrong in marriage or having kids yet!

    Seriously, LOGIC! Think for a second on that.

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  34. Apologies on triple posts, wordpress went crazy on me.

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  35. Gay people are the biggest bigots out there! They're trying to force their gay agenda on us straight people, and we made it clear we do not want that crap around our children. And that is why gay marriage was shot down twice, TWO TIMES baby! TWO TIMES! And I smell a 3rd time because it's going to be shot down again, whether you like it or not!

    Also, you gay and gay supporters need to stop using the race argument. Gays are NOT a minority. They are freaks! People can change sexual orientation, but they can't change their skin color. Also interracial marriage PRODUCES children NATURALLY!!!! So STOP TRYING TO COMPARE interracial marriage to a make believe butt humping gay fantasy.

    Straight always win over gays, ANYDAY, baby! ANYDAY! YEEEEEEEEEE HAW!

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  36. If bigoted idiots like Terrance Park get to marry and have kids, so do gays and everyone else.

    Gays are not freaks, the only freaks in the world are people who can't accept differences in others and choose to be ignorant and stupid because they are scared of something they refuse to understand.

    In other words, you naysayers are all cowards that choose to be stupid.

    And by the way, why do people associate gays with sex? Are you telling me hetero couples never have butt sex? Cause there's alot of hetero couples that will prove you wrong, so why the hell is that even an issue? Gays want the right to MARRY. Sex is barely an equation to the matter of having civil rights from being together and having the right to visit and see your loved one at their death bed in a hospital.

    Yeah, a husband can see his wife as she passes on in a hospital, but not a gay partner. So I guess people should die alone then? And if anyone even dares says that they deserve that cause they are gay, I will sucker punch them in the face. NO GOOD PERSON DESERVES TO DIE ALONE.

    It also sickens me that such people will raise kids who will hate and bully people for being different. Gays have done NOTHING WRONG, they just wanna be with the person they love, and if hetero gold diggers, scammers, criminals, idiots who can't read cause they CHOSE to be stupid, and a billion of other horrible people have the right to marry, then so do gay people who have done no wrong or broken any laws.

    These self righteous morons need to be more open minded and get over themselves. And stop being ignorant.

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  37. If you're straight and you support faggot marriage, that means you're a faggot yourself and you know it!

    No matter what you gays and gay supporters say, EVERYONE IN THE WORLD KNOW YOU FREAKS ARE NOT NORMAL! GET THE FUCK OVER IT!

    Straight people win over gay people anyday! Anywhere, any place, anytime! We'll NEVER EVER accept you freaks in our society as normal people, you sick AIDS infesting sick fuckers! STAY AWAY FROM OUR CHILDREN!

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  38. Faggots are the biggest bigots around! They should get the fuck over it that we don't accept their nasty ass behavior as "normal" because it's not. I'm sick and tired of you gay faggots trying to force your agenda upon us. This decade is just plain failure. The bigot faggots think they own the world, the world's economy is terrible at this point, the bullshit war, etc. The 90's was the best decade. The faggots stay in the closet, everyone had money, the economy was great and unemployment rate was the lowest! Don't worry, everything will be back to normal in the next decade. It's like a cycle. When it's really good, it will turn really bad. It's the ying yang tai chi theory. Hopefully the faggots will shut the fuck up and get a beat down if they try to flaunt their nasty asses around in public, and everyone will have lots and lots of money again.

    Kam Sa Ha Mi Da! Anh young ha sai yo!

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  39. Wow. Blaming the economy on Gays?

    Well, and I thought working in retail means I get to see the stupidest of them all, Guess I was wrong.

    And to also assuming that I am gay just because I support equality for gays is simply retarded. If a African America kid gets beat up and I defend him, does that make me Black? (Asian here, incase you are wondering.) If an actress gets harassed by a fan and I defend her, does that make me an actress too? So by your "amazing" *sarcasm* logic, if I defend someone who is mentally ill, that makes me metally ill?

    Also to everyone who is reading, notice how Terrance has no counter arguments to any of my points, he just repeats the same hateful moronic items, and provides nothing valid or useful in the discussion. He clearly didn't even read anything, and just wants to be loud and moronic so he thinks he's right, when he is not.

    In other words, he is like Westboro Baptist Church. And no I do not regret making that analogy. He and them are the same hateful people who don't wanna accept people who are different and done no wrong. What, gays are the only ones who ever have sex or buttsex? I know plenty of people that enjoy Anal all the time that are hetero, so your argument falls flat on straight people being better.

    Its times like this I wish Charles Darwin will come down and smite these morons.

    Terrance, grow up, and learn to actually counter argue people's points with real valid points, not irrelevant BS.

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  40. Jane, if you have anything concrete to say, then say it, otherwise, you are just as stupid as the rest of the bigots out there who are a bunch of cowardly sheep.

    This comic below says it all why you are all wrong and screwed up in the head.

    http://pamikoo.deviantart.com/art/I-am-a-good-person-104579954

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  41. Mikinia is a faggot who's a bigot.

    We Asians don't like gay people. It's abnormal and our culture look down on that nasty butt slapping and humping shit.

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  42. To some of the people here that support those fags, let me ask you one question. If you have a choice of having a gay kid or a straight kid, what will you choose? If you choose gay kid, you're a fucking liar! Nobody wants a gay kid if they can choose!

    Besides, nobody is born gay. Enough said. Whether you like it or not!

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  43. Look at the fucking faggots and you faggoty fag supporters wannabe faggots bullying an old woman. You faggoty fags and wannabe fags are cowards! No wonder everyone is oppose to you fags. You don't get what you want, you throw a hissy fit. It's time to beat you fags again. Gay bashing should come back!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znXHJQSX78o

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  44. Mikinia.....I love you. You not only have actual support for the comments that you leave on this page unlike, SOME "straight" homophobes. I put the word straight in quotes cause a LOT of people that bash on gay, are closet gays and are jealous that THEY didn't have the courage to stand up for what they believed in and are joining the "majority" so that they fit in. Plus, the people that you are arguing with are just really sad and pitiful, and most likely have nothing better to do than spam their hate (since they keep coming back to say the SAME thing without anything good to back it up).
    Truth is, there is no such thing as normal. That's just perspective. And I love how some of you are saying that you shouldn't group race or women's right into this. The only reason why they are being grouped together is because they have something in common. THEY WERE ALL CONSIDERED TABOO AND AN ABOMINATION AND THEY HAD TO FIGHT TO BE EQUAL! Of course you can't change your race, EVERYONE knows that but that's beyond the point that people supporting gay rights were trying to put across.
    People just need to know that if someone's gay:
    1. They aren't going to molest your child (I've noticed, on the news, more white priests were doing that to BOTH sexs)
    2. They all won't try to get in you pants. Gay people,like heterosexuals, have a preference.
    3. You really can't turn gay.
    4. Gay people CAN have children naturally (between a gay female and male). They won't enjoy it, but it has happened. Seriously, think of all the closet gays that were living a heterosexual lifestyle before people were becoming more tolerant.
    5. Marriage is COMPLETELY different than sex. If you want to group how a gay person enjoys to do it with marriage, then you should be prepared for many gay supporters point out how messed up a heterosexual's hypocrisy is (ESPECIALLY since heterosexuals, and I'm not talking about all heterosexuals, get more divoces, abandon/ their children when a gay person is WILLING to adopt because they actually care, have premarital sex even though THAT'S something that truly destroy's the institution of marriage).
    6. NOT ALL GAY PEOPLE ARE RAPISTS! How many times does this have to be said?! There are plenty of STRAIGHT rapists around here that need to be going to jail...
    7. They won't try to shower you with glitter and rainbows either. They are human beings like us...
    I'm saying this to point out how dumb this hatred is and it's obvious that I support the gay community. I could go on with the list, but I feel that continuing to speak is just going to fuel hatred that's only supported with slurs.
    Love and peace to all!

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